CURRENT_MEETING_REPORT_ Reported by Steve Kille/ISODE Minutes of the SNMP Application Management BOF (SAM) The key result of the SAM BOF was to propose the establishment of a new IETF working group, Mail and Directory Management (MADMAN). Background The BOF was called by Steve Kille, for the following reasons: o A belief that this area was of general interest, and merited an activity of IETF standardisation. o A specification produced by Steve Kille, Dave Partain, Thomas Lenggenhager, and Wengyik Yeong, was submitted as input to the meeting and had been implemented by the ISODE Consortium. o Knowledge that at least three other firms had implemented equivalent functionality. The goals of the BOF were to determine if there was sufficient interest to establish a working group on this topic and to produce IETF specifications. Related Activity This activity cuts across many of the IETF areas. The following Working Groups were identified as being relevant. o X.400 Operations o IFIP 6.5 on Email Management o Host Resources MIB o DNS MIB Subsequent to the meeting, Steve Kille obtained a copy of the CDC MIB, which can be made available to anyone interested. Discussion Attendees described their positions and reasons for attending. There was a clear and strong view that this area was important, and should be established as a new working group, independent of those listed above. There was overlap with the DNSMIB, but the level of detail precluded extending it to the broader goals discussed here. The Email Management 1 Working Group was working with a similar area, but had much broader and longer term goals. Specific points agreed on direction: o That this area was of substantialinterest. o The MIB(s) should be small and focussed. o Time scales should be as short as possible, as there was a clear operational need. All documents should be finalised by July 1993. o MIBs should support both OSI and TCP/IP applications. o Care should be taken to avoid OSI terminology, as this may alienate parts of the IETF community that are OSI-hostile. o The SAM proposal should be used as a basis, but be split into three documents. o The Working Group should be in the Applications Area. It as agreed that the following documents were targets, based on the SAM proposal. Editor in brackets: o ``NetworkServices MonitoringMIB'' (Ned Freed) o ``MailMonitoring MIB''(Ned Freed) o ``DirectoryMonitoring MIB''(Steve Kille) There were two detailed technical discussions worth reporting. Ned noted that there needed to be a more general ``channel''model, as the per-MTA monitoring would be difficult for some MTAs to support. He proposed a number of detailed changes, and would handle adding these. The issue of message store was considerd. Steve Kille suggested that this would be a necessary extension to the basicwork to be handled by this Group. Some concern was expressed about privacy issues. Marshall Rose said that this should not prevent the MIB from being specified. Action Items Steve Kille Write Minutes. Update document 3. Draft Charter. Ned Freed Update documents 1 and 2. Establish Mailing List and Archive. 2 CD/DP/EH Create MADMAN Working Group. Attendees Harald Alvestrand Harald.Alvestrand@delab.sintef.no David Arneson arneson@ctron.com J. Nevil Brownlee nevil@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz Theodore Brunner tob@thumper.bellcore.com Stephen Bush sfb@ncoast.org Cathy Cunningham cmc@microcom.com Cynthia Della Torre cindy@gateway.mitre.org Hans Eriksson hans@sics.se Daniel Fauvarque dfauvarq@france.sun.com Ned Freed ned@innosoft.com Ella Gardner epg@gateway.mitre.org Michel Guittet guittet1@applelink.apple.com John Hawthorne johnh@tigger.rl.af.mil Gerd Holzhauer holzhauer1@applelink.apple.com Marko Kaittola Marko.Kaittola@funet.fi Steve Kille S.Kille@isode.com Sylvain Langlois Sylvain.Langlois@exp.edf.fr Edward Levinson levinson@pica.army.mil Rina Nathaniel rina!rnd!rndi@uunet.uu.net Rakesh Patel patel@noc.rutgers.edu Michael Patton map@bbn.com David Perkins dperkins@synoptics.com Karen Petraska-Veum karen@sled.gsfc.nasa.gov David Piscitello dave@mail.bellcore.com Kary Robertson kr@concord.com Marshall Rose mrose@dbc.mtview.ca.us Jon Saperia saperia@lkg.dec.com Michael Sapich sapich@conware.de Dallas Scott scott@fluky.mitre.org Chris Shaw cshaw@banyan.com Timon Sloane timon@timon.com Einar Stefferud stef@nma.com Panos-Gavriil Tsigaridas Tsigaridas@fokus.berlin.gmd.dbp.de Cathy Wittbrodt cjw@barrnet.net Honda Wu honda@nat.com Peter Yee yee@atlas.arc.nasa.gov 3